That list already makes no sense, the most accurate one would be...
1) Viza
2) BT Yuma+Replica
3)Hyrein
4) Amo
5) Jin
6) Enedra
7) Gatlin
8) Shinoda
9) Lamvanein
10) Reiji
Viza is confirmed to be stronger than everyone else til now, Yuma even admitted it and had to use something that will only once that does not take skill into account. Yuma and Replica is op, Amo seems to be hella destructive, Jin + Fujin synergizes insanely with his Side Effect, Enedra even though he had difficulties beat Shinoda in Border who was said to be the strongest normal trigger user in Border, which includes Tamakoma, Tachikawa and etc.
Gatlin is on a similar lvl with Shinoda who was literally outdoing a Black Trigger, but Gatlin seems to have a superior Trigger though and Reiji is super adaptable, tricky and intelligent on top of that, while Hyuse is weaker than Konami, Tachikawa and etc.
>yeah, but when it comes to strategizing I think Jin is strong with his side effect.
>Yuma BT is definitely weaker than Hyrein. Hyrein has more trion as well (horns)
Coming back to BT Yuma vs Hyrein, something you missed out on is that LB phases through Hyrein's bullets, you missed out on Yuma's BT not being readable at all, being able to bypass Hyrein's defense with Anchor, Gate and even Chain when he decides to spawn them from actual non trion objects... something he did against Viza. What you are missing out on is that BT Yuma is considered WITH Replica, as we never saw him fight without him.
>Reiji's not as strong as the director
They need possess comparable capabilities due to their difference of triggers.
>Karasuma's Geist only lasts for about 300 secounds
He outpaced a black trigger user with direct movements, that is insane.
-> I know, I was just trying to clarify, that those aren't equal, while Kogetsu's Senku can be seen as Scorpion's Mantis, is that not the case for Kogetsu+Genyo and Mantis or Senku and throwing Scorpion. Kogetsu+Genyo let's you freely manipulate the blade of Kogetsu's blade, which is comparable to a normal, generic Scorpion, while Mantis is simply the same as Scorpion just more durable and allows by that the Scorpion user to stretch their blade more, which provides the combatant with better range, but Genyo from what we have seen until now just let's you manipulate the existing trion and doesn't add it to the Blade or grants better range and that is why Kogetsu+Genyo is an equivalent to Scorpion and that is why that approximation was off. The same goes for Senku and throwing a Scorpion, which I already elaborated on my previous post, so I guess there is no need to repeat myself anymore.
-> You don't seem to know how risky it is to go and spam Mantis. I explained this on my previous post too, the moment you use Mantis are you open for counter attacks and that is why Kageura is the only agent that can spam Mantis as he does. The moment a normal user attacks with Mantis could a Sniper, Shooter, Gunner or Senku user simply finish the Mantis user off, by simply using their ranged attack to finish him off, as the user can't have Bagworm, while using Mantis nor has the option to guard attacks from different angles. The blitzing won't work that effectively with the people seeing you on the radar and knowing the range of Mantis... Kageura's Side Effect and Squad comes here into the game though. Kageura's Side Effect prevents him from being caught off guard and that is why he can keep using Mantis without the fear of being intercepted. His Squad focuses on making up for the quirk of Mantis too, while Kitazoe focuses on spreading chaos on the battlefield with his Meteora, is Kage forcing others to 1v1 him and Ema is obviously keeping other foes with his sniping away or another of their patterns is Kita and Ema acting as decoys, while Kage goes for the combatants he wants to battle.The proof for this is the BFF: http://prntscr.com/jx55qg
That is why Yuma and Azuma are so dangerous for Kage and consider this, Kageura was always between buildings, while fighting and that was simply because of Azuma. Another reason for Azuma not really wanting to target Kageura was simply, because Kitazoe and Ema have a pretty good trigger combo to deal with Snipers, when the location of them is found out.
-> Scorpion needs for Mantis 2 Scorpions. Hence why you can't use a Shield or another trigger with it. Let us not forget, that a single Scorpion is nothing. Jin was easily able to cut through a Scorpion with his Fujin, while it was stated, that Fujin is sharper, than a normal Kogetsu, was it stated that during close combat is there no significant difference between those 2 (Fujin and Kogetsu)... Meaning that if we would have 2 combatants, that use just 1 trigger as in Kogetsu and Scorpion would the Kogetsu user still have the advantage. Kogetsu was even able to break through Yuma's BT Shield and the moment the Kogetsu user does that with Scorpion's blade while crossing the blade is the fight done. We could argue about Scorpion being lighter, but Kogetsu's blade is still longer. Meaning that you can shield a wider area with a Kogetsu swing, than a Scorpion one. The Scorpion user would be limited to dodging the Kogetsu's attack, while the Kogetsu attack has access to blocking, dodging and etc.
You mention Tachikawa and Shino, the 2 strongest A ranks and state in the same sentence that Scorpion user are the best attackers. That's a contradiction how it is written in the book. Let's not forget your previous statement of "how it's used". Your aproximation is kinda off too.
If this is about Kogetsu vs Scorpion and it being just limited to those Triggers and Shields D:, then would Kogetsu actually be the superior one. Scorpion still needs a Base for its flexibility, like Grasshopper or Chameleon. A Shooter or Gunner trigger would do it too, yet does Kogetsu not really need such a Base, some agents just have Kogetsu+Senku, because they just need those 2 Triggers. 1 providing the best close combat offense and Senku even extending it's range. While Scorpion might be fast, is it lacking the penetratebility. When your opponent has enough Trion, can he chill in his Shield "house" and wait for reinforcement against a Scorpion user. Mantis won't penetrate it too. Scorpion actually needs next to it a trigger, like Grasshopper for blitzing or Chameleon for surprise attacks, Asteroid to penetratebility Shields would do it too... Baiting your opponent as Gunner and finishing him off with Scorpion, that's nothing new from what we saw in WT. The only exception here is Kageura, who is consistently spamming Mantis. The reason he can do that is simply due to his Side Effect. Every time people attack him from f.e. behind, is he feeling it and can finish them off with the speed of Scorpion/Mantis at close/mid range, while they are unguarded during the attack. If you even look at their squad tactics, they focus on separating and confusing other squads, so Kage can finish them off.
PS: before Konami wielded Sogetsu; did she fight with 2 Kogetsu and her stating, that she is individually as strong as the number 2 (she probably said number 1 idk) could be her overestimating herself or might be the truth. That would mean, that the top 5 strongest border attackers would consist of 3 Kogetsu User... just saying
2605:E000:878F:F700:7471:2A25:AA17:1C7 wrote: I don't really think either is better. Thinking about top-level agents, Jin and Tachikawa are equal. As many have said before me, it depends on how you use it. Most if not all Kogetsu users have Senkū to compensate for ranged combat. Scorpion is just glass. Fast, but fragile. Only two combatants use Mantis so Kogetsu has some range advantages. Think about it. Imagine playing tag, and one person has a broom that they can tag with. A Scorpion user needs to be super creative. And I don't believe that Kogetsu users are straight forward. They know that they are being predicted, and a Scorpion user just has to wait for an opening. That's why agents have more triggers. Bullets and shields can cover for missed slashes. I personally would choose Scorpion because of a certain trigger combination that I want. But that's because it's a instant creative option. Because Kogetsu seems less creative, it makes the user think so he/she can make it work. I want to switch between shooting and Scorpion, and Senkū would take up a trigger slot that I need.
What? It was stated that Kogetsu is overall the best Attacker Trigger. That statement is verified through the stats we got of them. The argument of Jin and Tachikawa isn't really valid too. Jin was more equal to Tachikawa after he changed to Scorpion, but in the same page was it even stated, that Tachikawa still won more fights, even after the change.
Coming to the Trigger *types*...
-I would even say that Raygust is the best Trigger for C Rankers, since they have access to just 1 Trigger (no shields, just Bagworm and 1 trigger of choice I think). You can form a Shield with Raygust incase of fighting Shooters/Gunners, make your weapon lighter if you fight an Attacker and deactivate Raygust when you want to run.
So yeah, Kogetsu is the best trigger. Stat wise at least and it's the most offensive one, which is why it's preferred by so many. The reason why Raygust isn't really used very often is, because not everyone knows all details about it and it lacking the offensive power, which is something that most beginners are looking for (a good offense). I would categorise the Triggers like this...
Kogetsu - Fighters, Bait, Support (and Trickster, because of Genyo and the customised Spear version)
Scorpion - Speedster, Trickster (and fighter but just when you have a SE like Kage, which makes it impossible for you to get caught off guard)
Raygust - Fighter, Bait, Vanguard, Speedster, Trickster (Being a Speedster and Trickster is probably more difficult, than it is with Scorpion)
Mikumos Trigger Set is
Senku is in the same slot as Kogetsu too lol
I am not 100% sure about that, but didn't Spider needed a customization to be able to used with a Firearm? I am not sure...
Are you sure about Spider?? Since if it is a Bullet Trigger, should Composition Bullets be possible with it for Shooters.
Juanito you probably meant Kogetsu+Senku/Genyo and Kogetsu+Senku/Genyo...
I think Firearms/Gunners can have Lead Bullet at the same slot as their bullet triggers, unlike Shooters and Snipers. But that isn't proven tho, just an assumption due to Miwas Trigger line up and the BFF just mentioning that the customization of his Lead Bullet being just for the weights.
If it is something you can see, then is it something you can dodge AND that would mean that it isn't effective... But it is. It most likely just got animated like that for the watchers.
I think that they actually meant his Black Trigger and that his type is more destructive and Jins being more Jin Type' . Jin type being here more of the trickster type.
About Mira being the strongest... Uh someone with a Grasshopper or an extremely mobile combatant should be able to finish her off pretty easily. Considering that she doesn't even have anything for Close Combat and mainly reacting cuz of that as Supporters... She should get easily sniped too O o
It is just that not everything should be automatically considered being from Neighbours. Aftokrator didn't have the Bail Out mechanic during their war, which implies that it it was created by Humans or Cronin.
I think it would have been like that...
1. Viza
2. Jin BT
3. Hairein/Yuma BT
4. Shinoda and Reiji (Full Arms tho)
5. Tachikawa, Jin, Karasuma (with Geist)
etc.
I thought actually about having a Trapper set with an Attacker trigger, but for Switchbox do you need to hang out on the "Laptop". It should drain pretty much Trion too. Escudo is there to have actually walls for the wire field or leading the opponent to it... Kinda difficult to have an Attacker set with Trapper properties D: Hmm Maybe kicking Senkuu for Viper out D:
Spreading wires during combat while he is focused on... Senkuu D: yeah, would I guess just work with Kogetsu :/
Edit: I would say then...
Kogetsu /Raygust
Senkuu /Thruster
Shield
Spider
Meteora
Escudo
Shield
Bagworm
Wire field and Viper seems to be quite good tho... Space problem is real^^
I would like to try this one out too tbh:
Attacker (with Trapper capabilities)
Kogetsu
Senku (/Escudo)
Shield
Spider
Meteora
Escudo (/Spider)
Shield
Bagworm
The Raygust set seems to be kinda better tho
Raygust
Thruster
Spider
Escudo
Meteora
Escudo/Spider
Shield
Bagworm
Sounds legit, but is adjusting speed, range and strength just with Asteroid possible?? Sounds a bit weird, since I thought of it just as stronger bullets and the adjusting being just a Shooter thing...
?? And? It means most likely that Bagworm gets deactivated,since it is in Sub (the same spot Bagworm is).
I thought about Viper+Lead too, but Viper looked to me more as a trigger that goes for Blind spots, the opponents weaknesses and are going mainly for routes that avoid Shields. While Lead being more a trigger that goes through shields would it be ideal with a Trigger that can't be really good dodged I guess. I wonder why Yuzuru said that Asteroid too being the best trigger with Lead...
That is an interesting idea you have there tho.