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    • Kogetsu.

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    • I am not really sure which one is better but i think scorpion trigger is more versatile since It can shapeshift into anything and you can perform attacks such as mole claw and branch blade and you can shape and the length the sword into what you want  Though kogetsu has great attacking power and you can increaese Its length a lot by using senku

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    • I believe it was said that Kogetsu was overall the best Attacker Trigger which is why it is the most popular blade among Attackers.

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    • Kogetsu is the most popular Attacker Trigger in general, due to its strength and hardness, but its also heavy, so fast types like Yuma, Kitora, Midorikawa, Kazama Unit and Jin himself prefer Scorpion, which is much lighter and more fragile, along with being able to shapeshift and to be summoned from anywhere in your body, so it all comes down to your preferences.

      Changing subject, the Raygust is unpopular due to being really heavy, but both Murakami and Osamu use it and are surprisingly agile with or without it. Does the weight really matter?

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    • I like both trigger a lot I think the weight doesn t really effect trigger user If they are quite agile and skillful If I was given choice of normal trigger I would choose scorpion trigger due the fact its weightless,can shapeshifting and be summoned anywhere in your body @Juanito316 which trigger would you prefer given a choice?

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    • In my opinion, Kogetsu is the better trigger by defualt. That's because it's also the safer blade to use as a beginner (a trainee). Kogetsu's durability allows for a very high cutting rate with little resistance. The weight, however, can also be an advantage. Just as Sunako30 said, the user can compensate for the blade's weight with their own agility and skill, and having more weight may put more force behind your swing. If it were my choice, I would choose Scorpion, because its shapeshifting ability gives the user the ability to change the blade's shape according to their preference, as well as the battle situation. For instance, I would have more room to move and still conduct an attcak in a tight space with Scorpion rather than the longer Kogetsu. And even then, I can probably shapeshift Scorpion into a longer blade if needed. If I were to start off with using Scorpion, howeve, there would probably be a larger learning curve compared to using Kogetsu, because of the larger relationship between using Scorpion and the user's trion level and skill level. Kogetsu is the more beginner-ready blade that you can get better with ovr time. I would probably want more experience with being sn Attacker before I could effectively use Scorpion.

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    • Kogetsu.

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    • I guess raygust can be "better" in attack than then, but no one uses cause it has unpopular reasons, same as ibis and lead bullet (trion cost and adaptability).

      Someone who has amounts of trion like chika, and adaptability with raygust as reiji, could build up "full armguards" and use it as trion weapons (or even a full armor), since it's stated that raygust an shape shift like scorpion, and has the "thruster" ability.

      Reiji can strike out fists strong as thrusters, with his own trion body fists, without even need of materialize trion, imagine if he used his "full arms" ability.

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    • I guess Kogetsu is the most popular because it is the most balanced: since it lacks any specific flaws, such as Scorpion's low durability, the user does not need to compensate for them with other Triggers or training. Overall, it is probably the offensive Trigger that can be wielded more easily by the largest number of people. For the same reason Tamakoma's Triggers are unique: because only a few agents would be able to fight well with them.

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    • i think scoprion is best, by kogetsu you know what the attack range and pattern is, but scorpion has a lot of uses depending on the users imagination, kind of like shooter,

      and funny thing, gunner are like kogetsu, they specialize in one attack pattern which makes them perfect in that way but lack immensely if it comes to versality, all in all, a well-rounded fighter should use scorpion and be a shooter while a specialized one should use kogetsu or gunner ^_^

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    • Kogetsu has been shown to be a superior weapon against Neighbours. Scorpion was a weapon made to counter the former, hence it performs well in rank wars where majority of the agents have Kogetsu, but Scorpion was shown to be not so good against Neighbours. As demonstrated by Kazama unit against the Rabbit, when Utagawa and Kazama failed to even scratch its head when they attacked it together and Kitora, when her scorpion broke into two little pieces from one punch from Rabbit. While on the other hand Kei was slashing down Rabbits like they were made out of soft dough. Not to mention with Senku its versalitiy increases massively as exhibited by Shinoda in an extremely flashy way against Enedora and his dummies.

      If I was an agent, I'd personally have Kogetsu and Senku (must) equipped. As the main offensive weapon and a shooter trigger (Viper) as a back-up weapon.

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    • Scorpion. If your body parts get chopped off, cover with a scorpion

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    • There isn't really one directly better or worse. Looking at the question is Kogetsu "overally" the best attack trigger, since it is the most balanced one. Scorpion isn't really that much of a disadvantage against trion soldiers, just hit the core and that's it. Kogetsu can cut through the body though, but Scorpion user are usually speed orientied fighters sooo can that be even counted as a disadvantage?? There is Mantis incase of not being able to reach them with the standard design. That body part thing with Scorpion...


      I think you cannot do that when the chopped off part is actually big as in took everything until f.e. the knee. It might be the case that it simply takes too much trion which wouldn't make sense since Kitora used it. Kitora's Scorpion is customized so that pseudo leg might be a function through a customization... Idk The more legit reasoning why we didn't see it from other Scorpion users might be that the only Scorpion user (except of Kitora) that got body parts chopped off was Yuma and since he has Grasshopper would he have seen it as a waste of Trion :x

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    • I don't really think either is better. Thinking about top-level agents, Jin and Tachikawa are equal. As many have said before me, it depends on how you use it. Most if not all Kogetsu users have Senkū to compensate for ranged combat. Scorpion is just glass. Fast, but fragile. Only two combatants use Mantis so Kogetsu has some range advantages. Think about it. Imagine playing tag, and one person has a broom that they can tag with. A Scorpion user needs to be super creative. And I don't believe that Kogetsu users are straight forward. They know that they are being predicted, and a Scorpion user just has to wait for an opening. That's why agents have more triggers. Bullets and shields can cover for missed slashes. I personally would choose Scorpion because of a certain trigger combination that I want. But that's because it's a instant creative option. Because Kogetsu seems less creative, it makes the user think so he/she can make it work. I want to switch between shooting and Scorpion, and Senkū would take up a trigger slot that I need.

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    • Here's what I think :

      Kogetsu - easier to train with, higher durability and offence. Range and versatility gets increased with Senku.

      Scorpion - requires speed and agility to master. Lower range but much higher versatility further enhanced by its shape shifting ability and combination with Grasshopper.

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    • 2605:E000:878F:F700:7471:2A25:AA17:1C7 wrote: I don't really think either is better. Thinking about top-level agents, Jin and Tachikawa are equal. As many have said before me, it depends on how you use it. Most if not all Kogetsu users have Senkū to compensate for ranged combat. Scorpion is just glass. Fast, but fragile. Only two combatants use Mantis so Kogetsu has some range advantages. Think about it. Imagine playing tag, and one person has a broom that they can tag with. A Scorpion user needs to be super creative. And I don't believe that Kogetsu users are straight forward. They know that they are being predicted, and a Scorpion user just has to wait for an opening. That's why agents have more triggers. Bullets and shields can cover for missed slashes. I personally would choose Scorpion because of a certain trigger combination that I want. But that's because it's a instant creative option. Because Kogetsu seems less creative, it makes the user think so he/she can make it work. I want to switch between shooting and Scorpion, and Senkū would take up a trigger slot that I need.


      What? It was stated that Kogetsu is overall the best Attacker Trigger. That statement is verified through the stats we got of them. The argument of Jin and Tachikawa isn't really valid too. Jin was more equal to Tachikawa after he changed to Scorpion, but in the same page was it even stated, that Tachikawa still won more fights, even after the change.

      Coming to the Trigger *types*...

      • Kogetsu is the most offensive Trigger with high durability, that let's you chop through harder Trion Bodies and Shields. Senku gives them range and Genyo Scorpion like versatility.
      • Scorpion has no limits to it's form as long as the User has Trion, yet is pretty fragile and can't be blocked with regularly, which is the reason why mainly speedsters or tricksters choose Scorpion. The exception here is Kageura, who is a Mantis spammer and a dueling/fighter type. The combination of 2 Scorpion makes his (Whip) Blade more durable, yet are you instantly killed when you are caught off guard, since you can't use a Shield with Mantis. Kageuras Side Effect makes his fighting style possible...
      • Raygust is a combination of those ^2^ Triggers and the only defensive one. It is heavier and the most durable one and can form itself to a Shield or to a lighter weapon/sword. It gives the User even speed with the usage of Thruster. Thruster would allow you to move your Blade faster during combat, which might allow to react faster or let's you move to a friend or foe...

      -I would even say that Raygust is the best Trigger for C Rankers, since they have access to just 1 Trigger (no shields, just Bagworm and 1 trigger of choice I think). You can form a Shield with Raygust incase of fighting Shooters/Gunners, make your weapon lighter if you fight an Attacker and deactivate Raygust when you want to run.


      So yeah, Kogetsu is the best trigger. Stat wise at least and it's the most offensive one, which is why it's preferred by so many. The reason why Raygust isn't really used very often is, because not everyone knows all details about it and it lacking the offensive power, which is something that most beginners are looking for (a good offense). I would categorise the Triggers like this...

      Kogetsu - Fighters, Bait, Support (and Trickster, because of Genyo and the customised Spear version)

      Scorpion - Speedster, Trickster (and fighter but just when you have a SE like Kage, which makes it impossible for you to get caught off guard)

      Raygust - Fighter, Bait, Vanguard, Speedster, Trickster (Being a Speedster and Trickster is probably more difficult, than it is with Scorpion)

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    • I think we're starting to come to a conclusion that it's based on the user's fighting style. With Raygust and Scorpion being nearly polar ends and Kogetsu being a balance.

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    • depends on a user.

      first some ability aproximations (small number of people use scorpion's, but it is important to remember that it is a new trigger compared to kogetsu): senku=mantis; senku=throwing scorpion blades; genk'yo=mantis; durability+power of kogetsu=flexibility/unpredictability of scorpion.

      in aerial and in-water fight scorpion has the advantage because the blade can be sprung from any part of the body so the orientation of the body is irrelevant, and can be used to swimm or change direction in air - for all of this we've seen exaples.

      someone with agility and ingenuity  and small frame will benefit more from a scorpion. although there are exceptions; for example it's a better fit for yin than kogetsu because its flexibility is a better match for his side effect (future constantly changes in a fight so a flexible weapon is a better, more usable choice as it gives him more options from which he can choose the optimal one).

      forget about popularity and even about the raw stats. what matters is who uses it and how. don't forget that scorpion is a new trigger so it really didn't even have real masters (who could show its power/value); haven't really caught up yet with the agents. yin was/is the first master (and inventor), but more so because of his side effect (it's not his mastery with scorpion that makes his strong; even though I don't doubt that he would be strong even without his side effect, it most likely wouldn't be top 3,5 attackers; he haven't really used it to its full potential and from his fights I get the feeling that if he didn't have this specific side effect he would be more suited for kogetsu)- he is essentially no2  if you take into account his fights against tachikawa but nontheless in top5 attackers. than you have kazama who is extremely agile (no2), kageura who invented mantis and had over 14000 points for scorpion (ex no3 most probably) and than you have kuga who copied all scorpion abilities and will eventually become the best scorpion user overall (maybe not stronger that yin due to his side effect but a better scorpion user)- and is now based on his exploits, easily in top10 attackers. so now you have situation where appart from ko (who is only half kogetsu user), tachikawa and his teacher and tamakoma 1 (but the question is how good reiji and kyosuke would be with standard blade triggers; Kirie's trigger is close enough to wielding double kogetsu) best attackers in all border are scorpion users.

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    • You mention Tachikawa and Shino, the 2 strongest A ranks and state in the same sentence that Scorpion user are the best attackers. That's a contradiction how it is written in the book. Let's not forget your previous statement of "how it's used". Your aproximation is kinda off too. 



      • Senku=Mantis | Senku has better range, better offense capabilities as it can actually penetrate shields, is fast and allows you to use a Shield while using it. While Mantis might be fast,  you cannot use a Shield during its usage and it giving you lower range, than Senku. So... Senku>Mantis



      • Senku=throwing Scorpion | Do I need to answer this? Senku is fast, has penetrative power and has better range, than a throw... Senku is still better



      • Genyo=Mantis | How? Genyo seems to be rather a trigger, that gives the heavy Kogetsu the Scorpions flexibility. While you can use Shields with it, would I rather prefer Mantis due to its range, because it seems like Genyo is manipulating the existing Trion and not really adding "real range". Genyo<Mantis



      If this is about Kogetsu vs Scorpion and it being just limited to those Triggers and Shields D:, then would Kogetsu actually be the superior one. Scorpion still needs a Base for its flexibility, like Grasshopper or Chameleon. A Shooter or Gunner trigger would do it too, yet does Kogetsu not really need such a Base, some agents just have Kogetsu+Senku, because they just need those 2 Triggers. 1 providing the best close combat offense and Senku even extending it's range. While Scorpion might be fast, is it lacking the penetratebility. When your opponent has enough Trion, can he chill in his Shield "house" and wait for reinforcement against a Scorpion user. Mantis won't penetrate it too. Scorpion actually needs next to it a trigger, like Grasshopper for blitzing or Chameleon for surprise attacks, Asteroid to penetratebility Shields would do it too... Baiting your opponent as Gunner and finishing him off with Scorpion, that's nothing new from what we saw in WT. The only exception here is Kageura, who is consistently spamming Mantis. The reason he can do that is simply due to his Side Effect. Every time people attack him from f.e. behind, is he feeling it and can finish them off with the speed of Scorpion/Mantis at close/mid range, while they are unguarded during the attack. If you even look at their squad tactics, they focus on separating and confusing other squads, so Kage can finish them off. 



      PS: before Konami wielded Sogetsu; did she fight with 2 Kogetsu and her stating, that she is individually as strong as the number 2 (she probably said number 1 idk) could be her overestimating herself or might be the truth. That would mean, that the top 5 strongest border attackers would consist of 3 Kogetsu User... just saying

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    • that is what approximation is. it doesn't mean equal. can be better or worse. it has enough similar traits to be viewed as kogetsu/scorpion version of scorpion/kogetsu attack. I totaly agree that throwing scorpion is nowhere  near as good as senku but it's scorpion's way to increase its range (to kill an opponent out of blade range; even though senku is a blade, but as I said approximation).

      you don't need a shield during mantis attack - it's a blitz attack, to surprise the enemy and if you cannot perform it quickly it's loses its value. it's not something that should be repeatedly used behind the shield. 



      you talk about base and give kogetsu an optional trigger (senku) but but subtract one from scorpion (grasshopper). If I remeber correctly scorpion doesn't need an optional trigger for any of its techniques. So compare now scorpion against plain kogetsu. of course you can consider base as a plain trigger or as a combination of triggers to work optimally. in the latter case kogetsu needs senku and scorpion needs optional trigger for maneuverability.

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      • that is what approximation is. it doesn't mean equal. can be better or worse. it has enough similar traits to be viewed as kogetsu/scorpion version of scorpion/kogetsu attack. I totaly agree that throwing scorpion is nowhere  near as good as senku but it's scorpion's way to increase its range (to kill an opponent out of blade range; even though senku is a blade, but as I said approximation).

      -> I know, I was just trying to clarify, that those aren't equal, while Kogetsu's Senku can be seen as Scorpion's Mantis, is that not the case for Kogetsu+Genyo and Mantis or Senku and throwing Scorpion. Kogetsu+Genyo let's you freely manipulate the blade of Kogetsu's blade, which is comparable to a normal, generic Scorpion, while Mantis is simply the same as Scorpion just more durable and allows by that the Scorpion user to stretch their blade more, which provides the combatant with better range, but Genyo from what we have seen until now just let's you manipulate the existing trion and doesn't add it to the Blade or grants better range and that is why Kogetsu+Genyo is an equivalent to Scorpion and that is why that approximation was off. The same goes for Senku and throwing a Scorpion, which I already elaborated on my previous post, so I guess there is no need to repeat myself anymore.



      •  you don't need a shield during mantis attack - it's a blitz attack, to surprise the enemy and if you cannot perform it quickly it's loses its value. it's not something that should be repeatedly used behind the shield. 

      -> You don't seem to know how risky it is to go and spam Mantis. I explained this on my previous post too, the moment you use Mantis are you open for counter attacks and that is why Kageura is the only agent that can spam Mantis as he does. The moment a normal user attacks with Mantis could a Sniper, Shooter, Gunner or Senku user simply finish the Mantis user off, by simply using their ranged attack to finish him off, as the user can't have Bagworm, while using Mantis nor has the option to guard attacks from different angles. The blitzing won't work that effectively with the people seeing you on the radar and knowing the range of Mantis... Kageura's Side Effect and Squad comes here into the game though. Kageura's Side Effect prevents him from being caught off guard and that is why he can keep using Mantis without the fear of being intercepted. His Squad focuses on making up for the quirk of Mantis too, while Kitazoe focuses on spreading chaos on the battlefield with his Meteora, is Kage forcing others to 1v1 him and Ema is obviously keeping other foes with his sniping away or another of their patterns is Kita and Ema acting as decoys, while Kage goes for the combatants he wants to battle.The proof for this is the BFF: http://prntscr.com/jx55qg

      That is why Yuma and Azuma are so dangerous for Kage and consider this, Kageura was always between buildings, while fighting and that was simply because of Azuma. Another reason for Azuma not really wanting to target Kageura was simply, because Kitazoe and Ema have a pretty good trigger combo to deal with Snipers, when the location of them is found out.



      •  you talk about base and give kogetsu an optional trigger (senku) but but subtract one from scorpion (grasshopper). If I remeber correctly scorpion doesn't need an optional trigger for any of its techniques. So compare now scorpion against plain kogetsu. of course you can consider base as a plain trigger or as a combination of triggers to work optimally. in the latter case kogetsu needs senku and scorpion needs optional trigger for maneuverability.

      -> Scorpion needs for Mantis 2 Scorpions. Hence why you can't use a Shield or another trigger with it. Let us not forget, that a single Scorpion is nothing. Jin was easily able to cut through a Scorpion with his Fujin, while it was stated, that Fujin is sharper, than a normal Kogetsu, was it stated that during close combat is there no significant difference between those 2 (Fujin and Kogetsu)... Meaning that if we would have 2 combatants, that use just 1 trigger as in Kogetsu and Scorpion would the Kogetsu user still have the advantage. Kogetsu was even able to break through Yuma's BT Shield and the moment the Kogetsu user does that with Scorpion's blade while crossing the blade is the fight done. We could argue about Scorpion being lighter, but Kogetsu's blade is still longer. Meaning that you can shield a wider area with a Kogetsu swing, than a Scorpion one. The Scorpion user would be limited to dodging the Kogetsu's attack, while the Kogetsu attack has access to blocking, dodging and etc.

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